shooting to remove the surpluses to the point where the deer 
herd can survive without undue winter loss* Everyone, however, 
admits that the reason this cannot be done successfully is 
because of the dear public who refuse to cooperate by shooting 
the numbers that would be required to really provide a sound 
management program. Poisoning is in much the same catagory. 
Certain things might be developed on a long-time basis which 
would circumvent the need for poisoning operations, but when 
people are losing livestock from predators and crops from rodents, 
they are bound to carry on control regardless of ecological con- 
siderations. 
A little later, I hope to submit some comments on the outline 
as you have it prepared, but in the meantime, I would like to sug- 
gest that before you goo too far in publicizing your reactions to 
this question, you take the opportunity to talk to some of our own 
research boys who have had years of experience in this particular 
line. I would like to have you spend a little time with Mr. F. E. 
Garlough, in charge of the Control Methods Research Laboratory, at 
Denver. He is the most widely traveled and best informed on rodent 
control practices, both from the poisoning and from the preventative 
angles of any man in the country. It would also be well if you 
could spend a little time with Everett Horn and Al Moore, both of 
the Wildlife Research Division, who have been carrying on studies 
of the effects of rodents in relation to livestock in California 
and Oregon. I believe such contacts would be mutually helpful 
from your standpoint as well as ours. 
In fact, I would like to have you visit some of my boys in the 
field some of these days and perhaps we can work out some sort of a 
schedule where we could give you an opportunity to see some of the 
things the bureau is doing, particularly in the Western States, and 
to have you pass onto our fellows the benefits of your long exper- 
ience in the wildlife field. In the meantime, please give me a 
little time to more carefully analyze and comment on your outline 
of rodent management. 
With kind regards, I am 
Very sincerely yours, 
Albert M. 
Chief, 
Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration.