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                Wisconsinr Conservation Deoortment 
 
 
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          ~October 14, 19~4C 
 
 
 
TO:       Ernest Swift 
 
FRO.      -  C. J. Cramer 
CTJtJECT: Survey of deeir ].fege to forest reproduction 
 
 
     On July 25thn and NCth, 9,t a meetinr held -t Trout Lake Forestry 
'eadcuarterr, a tentative nien for 3 urvey of deer dam    ,Ce to 
natural and artificial reproduction was adopted. The details are 
contained in my memorandum to you of July 2?th. 
 
     On Seotember ?"/24 Ivan rinscler and myself met at Eau Claire 
,rith S. R. Cervork-antz of the St. Paul Forest Exp'eriment Station 
for the ourpose of di~cueiny with him our idess 7n the subject. 
We knew the -ur-ey h,  tr be keot within cert-in limits of man 
                              t, '-it to hold it to the 
power, time. ', d money, r ý 'hile we d~id not th 
barest minimum requirements, we could not, bcause of the limita- 
tions, select an elaborate sampling method. We felt the need for 
aseistance from someone who knew how to apnly statisticol principles 
so that the survey would not only be kept within reason economically, 
but would also be technically satisfactory. 
 
     The finpl result of our conference is incorporated in the 
attached outline, 
 
     We are still somewhat in doubt about extending the survey to 
the classification of stands surroundin; the plots and adopting the 
clsssification of Camaze into the four clas'ses of heavy or lethal, 
moderate or deforming, light or retarding, very li-ht or tolerable. 
These are sugfestions mae by Mr. devorkiantz after a discussion 
1 ith other men at the Forest Experiment Station, esoecially Mr, Aldous.

In classifying the stands surroundingr the plots, Mr. Gevorkiantz 
holds, we should obtain additional data which, though not exactly 
within the frame of this survey and not needed at this time might 
possibly be desired at some later date. These date would be oro- 
cured at no extra cost or only at a negligible increase in the cost 
of the oresent survey. 
 
     Whether or not we can carry out these suggestions will depend 
on the number of trained and experienced men the deoartment can make 
avpilable.  It does not seem poso-ible to train inexperienced men 
within a reasonable time so they will readily recognize the 
ch.practeristics which estpblish classes of stands end damage.