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                       SPAIN-STEAMER        VIRGINIUS.                  
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  51. Q. Did you see the Virginius subsequent to the capture of the Mosquito
fleet ?-
A. Yes; at Puerto Cabello, after I returned from St. Thomas.
  52. Q. Had you, previously to that time, seen anything of a Venezuelan
flag on the
Virginius ?-A. The flag was made in her cabin. I did not see them making
it, but I
was told that it was making in there. A party said that he saw them buy the
stuff at
Puerto Cabello.
  53.-Q. Did you ever see any other flag flying from the Virginius besides
the flag of
the United States and the Venezuelan flag ?-A. No, sir.
  54. Q. Did you ever see any other flag on any of the small boats belonging
to the
Virginius ?-A. I saw the Cuban flag on one of her quarter-boats.
  55. Q. When was this?-A. This was prior to the turning over of the balance
of the
  mien-of-war that were in charge of the Blues. They turned over two ships,
one called
  the Guzman Blanco, a side-wheel steamer, formerly called the London, and
another
  one that was built in London for them, a propeller; a very large one. I
forget her
  name. They were turned over to the Yellows.
  56. Q. In what port was the Virginius lying at the time you saw the Cuban
flag on
  one of her small boats ?-A. Puerto Cabello.
  57. Q. Was this before or after the Virginius towed out the Venezuelan
man-of-war
on which you were ?-A. Before.
   58. Q. Was it before the Virginius transported the Venezuelan troops along
the coast
 to Barcelona?-A. I think not.
   59. Q. Who was in the small boat at the time you saw the Cuban flag ?-A.
General
 Quesada, and some other Cubans, one or two, and Ambrose Rowlands, I think,
and a
 man by the name of Miller. They pulled the boat. There was some other one,
but I
 recollect only those two. One of them belonged to me-both, in fact.
   60. Q. Did you see the flag on the boat yourself ?-A. Yes, sir.
   61. Q. Where did the boat go when it had this Cuban flag upon it --A.
They rowed
 out to a small island or strip of land near by.
   62. Q. Did you see the small boat return to the Virginius ?-A. I did not.
   63. Q. How soon after-this did you go on the Venezuelan man-of-war ?-A.
I cannot
 tell the exact time.
   64. Q. Did you have any interview with any of .the consuls of the United
States in.
 respect to the Virginius ?-A. I did, with Dr. Lacombe, in Puerto Cabello.
   65. Q. Did you make any statements to him in respect to the Virginius;
and if so,
 what were they ?-A. I related to him the facts of the taking of this ammunition
on
 board from the Billy Butts, and I told him that my opinion was that she
was engaged
 entirely in unlawful trade or traffic. This was prior to the affair with
the schooners.
   66. Q. What, if anything, did the consul say to you in reply ?-A. He gave
me but
 very little satisfaction. The communication we had was altogether verbal.
He said
 she was &quot;all right.&quot;
   67. Q. Had Captain Shepperd left the Virginius before you left her ?-A.
Yes, sir.
   68. Q. Who then took command of the Virginius as captain ?-A. Marguiz
was the
 maln who was recognized as the captain. He was the only man that seemed
to get
 clearances for her; so he told me himself. Mr. Camacho was the man that
I always
 ,considered to be the captain of her.
   69. Q. Did you ever see Consul Lacombe and General Quesada together ?-A.
Yes;
 I saw them at Puerto Cabello in the Hotel de Cominercio. I boarded there
quite a
 while after I left the Virginius.
   70. Q. State what you saw or heard at that time, if anything.-A. They
spoke in
 Spanish. I saw Quesada give him, Lacombe, some money, but how much I could
not
 tell, nor for what purpose; but I know it was gold.
   71. Q. In whose control did you believe the Virginius to be while you
were on board
 of her ?-A. Under the control of the Cubans, after we got on board the cargo
from the
 Billy Butts. After Captain Shepperd left the ship I considered Camacho to
be in con-
 trol of her as the real navigator.
   72. Q. What control, if any, did General Quesada appear to you to have
over the
 Virginiusf-A. Well, I did not see him assume command at all while I was
on the
 ship.
   73. Q. What relation did it appear to you that Quesada had to the Virginius
?-A.
   I considered him as the owner of her.
   74. Q. From what things, or act, or deed did you consider him to be the
owner ?-A.
   From a conversation that took place on the day that Captain Shepperd left:
from re-
   marks that I overheard. If my memory serves me right, Quesada gave Captain
Shep-
 perd to understand that he hal the papers of that ship, and owned them.
   75. Q. In what language was that conversation carried on ?-A. The conversation
was
   partly in Spanish and partly in English. I overheard some of it; I was
sitting on the
   rail of +The vessel at te time.
   76. Q. With whom was Quesada having that conversation f--A. I could not
remem-
 b~er the names of all of them; the whole party that went out with us--the
Cubans ; it
 ,was a general conversation.

 
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